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3) were careful?? and delayed too long in Carrels?? Ques _ How long did you & captors stay here Ans_ about 2 hours & then traveled south keeping high ground. Stopped all night at a Cedar Spring, no water for animals and very little for ourselves & on the 2nd day got off mountains & crossed Tonto creek & nooned?? on south side of creek in afternoon went to foot hills & encamped for the night. "tak ze tak in cha at spring by name (where camp reno was established after & since abandoned) 3rd camp went over Reno mountain and all night at "teis eyo' ce.cat" but now called "Sun Flower Valley" 4th day Ft McDowell 5th day about 10 year wagons was go to "sacatorie" (Pima camp) we were hauled in them & camped on salt river crossing here the youngest boy of the other family died for want of food as the child was suckling & mother was killed ("too tah a" family) 6th camp crossed desert of 45 miles and stopped all night on "Gila River" below Florance at a Flouring mill run by a mule power. The 2nd night we were still there but the old woman & her two remaining boys were taken away. I never seen any of them since. Next morning after 2nd night my eldest girl "Pe goo' das ka" (Maria) was taken away in a wagon by a Mexican.