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No? They've got to steal that bread, peek at it, scrap-- and then fly away. Goombye! They didn't want it. "Self" is losing all the battles in Europe-- its a regular program that finds each successive campaign devoid of sufficient support. Not that it makes any difference, for no part of war is sensible and no part of capitalism is worthy of defense. Personally, I am selling nothing and buying nothing. --and, don't think Hanrahan's Heres has any claim on my military prowess. Isolation? When you are on the wrong side of the fence, isolation is the only policy you have left (They even isolate the more violent manizes) -- from Europes incessant slaughters. USA is self sufficient-- except for tin. Use silver-- or alloy. No we do not yet have to give up the ghost as a republic; altho plenty heirs-apparant are fingering their crying- towels and silken snot-rags. W can go on and build upon the republic a common-wealth that is more in align with modern (as well as past) requirements-- if we so desire. Hobo in hostile territory isolates himself before the town-clown isolates him-- and retains his freedom. A worker quits before the boss fires him. It's a question-- do you want to isolate yourself voluntarily or wait until economics forcibly isolates you? T