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Of course I was just playing with the story you and Kath told. It happens that way.
You jump off from Kath and have Helen. Hell Helen is not Kath. You understand.
Often you would write a sentence. Let us suppose I start with Mary. I write "She was a slender woman with red hair." Now where has Mary gone. This red haired woman is not her. It is like a new color, introduced into a painting. I shall be in New York